Though it may feel like a very sad day to us, it is a Divine day for our beloved Prof Anil Kumar. Most suddenly and unexpectedly Swami called him to His Lotus Feet. Prof Anil Kumar was taken to the SSSSH on April 1st. He merged with our Swami at 10:10 AM on Wednesday, April 3rd, while the Sri Sathya Sai Super Specialty Hospital sound system was playing the Hanuman Chalisa, a divine Sai-incidence and a tribute to His Hanuman.
The life and activities of Prof Anil Kumar are beyond human capabilities and comprehension. Throughout over 50 years of association with Swam, He selflessly and tirelessly, spread Sai's Divine message of love and unity throughout his native state of Andhra Pradesh, and later gradually throughout the world, during numerous trips abroad to many countries. He also was a central figure in the Sai Institutes of Higher Learning, first being the Principal in Whitefield college in the early 80's and later the Botany Professor at Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning at Prasanthi Nilayam campus. He has known and inspired thousands of Sai students as well as nurturing and answering questions of thousands of national as well as international devotees.
Sitting in his presence, one can feel Swami's divine vibrations of joy and love permeating the room. One enters his room confused about some problem or question, and leaves with a light heart full of joy and understandingas his questions on any topic, be it practical or spiritual, were clearly answered by this most loving Sai missionary. Anyone who knows Prof Anil Kumar will have wonderful stories to relate about him and how he has guided and helped them along their spiritual way by his words of wisdom, which were always a total reflection and repetition of Bhagawan's Divine messages.
May we bow our heads in gratitude to Swami that He sent us to this most loving and beloved Divine soul to help us all on our way to the goal of satchitananda or the Divine consciousness of Sathyam Sivam Sundaram. We can rejoice having known him and knowing that he has reached the ultimate goal.
The life and activities of Prof Anil Kumar are beyond human capabilities and comprehension. Throughout over 50 years of association with Swam, He selflessly and tirelessly, spread Sai's Divine message of love and unity throughout his native state of Andhra Pradesh, and later gradually throughout the world, during numerous trips abroad to many countries. He also was a central figure in the Sai Institutes of Higher Learning, first being the Principal in Whitefield college in the early 80's and later the Botany Professor at Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning at Prasanthi Nilayam campus. He has known and inspired thousands of Sai students as well as nurturing and answering questions of thousands of national as well as international devotees.
Sitting in his presence, one can feel Swami's divine vibrations of joy and love permeating the room. One enters his room confused about some problem or question, and leaves with a light heart full of joy and understandingas his questions on any topic, be it practical or spiritual, were clearly answered by this most loving Sai missionary. Anyone who knows Prof Anil Kumar will have wonderful stories to relate about him and how he has guided and helped them along their spiritual way by his words of wisdom, which were always a total reflection and repetition of Bhagawan's Divine messages.
May we bow our heads in gratitude to Swami that He sent us to this most loving and beloved Divine soul to help us all on our way to the goal of satchitananda or the Divine consciousness of Sathyam Sivam Sundaram. We can rejoice having known him and knowing that he has reached the ultimate goal.
JAI SAI RAM
Sai Ram to all devotees: send your tributes, memories, experiences and thoughts about Prof Anil Kumar to this email address:
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All are welcome to post. These posts can be in any language.
ABOUT SWAMI'S MUCH LOVED TRANSLATOR PROF. ANIL KUMAR
Prof. Anil Kumar is best known for translating Swami's discourses into English. He also gives very popular talks about Swami and His teachings in Prasanthi Nilayam as well as in many Sai centres in India and abroad. In fact, sharing his experiences has become his passion and full-time profession, post-retirement.
After receiving his education and also lecturing for many years in the Andhra Christian College, Guntur, he has been the Principal of the Brindavan campus of Sri Sathya Sai institute of Higher Learning in Whitefield. Subsequently, he served in the Prasanthi Nilayam campus as a faculty member, in the Department of Bio-Chemistry, till the year 2012.
In addition, Prof. Anil Kumar has authored a huge number of books on Bhagawan Baba. He is an inspiration to one and all through his talks which are full of wisdom and humour.
After receiving his education and also lecturing for many years in the Andhra Christian College, Guntur, he has been the Principal of the Brindavan campus of Sri Sathya Sai institute of Higher Learning in Whitefield. Subsequently, he served in the Prasanthi Nilayam campus as a faculty member, in the Department of Bio-Chemistry, till the year 2012.
In addition, Prof. Anil Kumar has authored a huge number of books on Bhagawan Baba. He is an inspiration to one and all through his talks which are full of wisdom and humour.
40 ASSURANCES OF SWAMI TO HIS DEVOTEES,
Compiled by Prof. ANIL KUMAR GARU
Compiled by Prof. ANIL KUMAR GARU
| 40_assurances_of_swami_to_his_devotees.pdf |
PROF. ANIL KUMAR FELICITATED FOR HIS LIFELONG INSPIRING SERVICE
NOV. 21, 2022
NOV. 21, 2022
In a heartfelt gesture of gratitude, the Central Trust remembered and honored those who have served Bhagawan over the years by holding senior positions in the SSSSO-India (State Presidents, State Convenors and so on). They were all felicitated for their inspiring service over the years. Prof. Anil Kumar was honored first among them.
Soon after Prof. Anil Kumar went to admire and inspire some of the 800+ Andhra Pradesh Seva Dal who are in charge of running the massive 7 day-long Narayana Seva during this 97th Birthday week.
JAI SAI RAM
ARTICULATION: ABOUT THE ART OF ORATION
FEB. 6, 2021
FEB. 6, 2021
Reader's feedback on this talk:
Sairam Uncle 🙏pranams.. I thoroughly appreciate the beautiful explanation you had sent to Brother Vinod along with the download too 👌 I sat and listened in complete silence in order to absorb. There is a lot to learn here, excellent pointers. Each and every detail is so precise and of course a divine gift. This shall be of great assistance to me for the future too...My humble gratitude to you.
Sairam 🙏
Sairam Uncle 🙏pranams.. I thoroughly appreciate the beautiful explanation you had sent to Brother Vinod along with the download too 👌 I sat and listened in complete silence in order to absorb. There is a lot to learn here, excellent pointers. Each and every detail is so precise and of course a divine gift. This shall be of great assistance to me for the future too...My humble gratitude to you.
Sairam 🙏
Recently Prof. Anil Kumar was asked a question about Articulation, in order to share his speaking advice to youth in the Sai Organisation: "Kindly explain your invaluable experiences of Saraswatham with Swami."
Here we can listen to his very specific advice and guidance on this topic.
Here we can listen to his very specific advice and guidance on this topic.
Click on download file to listen.
HYDERABAD CELEBRATING PROF. ANIL KUMAR KAMARAJU BIRTHDAY
OCT. 27, 2012 (TELUGU)
OCT. 27, 2012 (TELUGU)
A TRIBUTE TO ANIL KUMAR
by Puccha Vijaya Sarathi
by Puccha Vijaya Sarathi
IN PRAISE OF THE SEVA OF PROF. ANIL KUMAR OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS!
సాయిరామ్ సర్🙏
అ-నిల్ అంటే, అహంకారం నిల్ అని సాక్షాత్ స్వామి వారి చే కొనియాడబడిన ధన్య చరితులు మీరు🙏 నిరంతరం మీరు స్వామివారి ప్రేమ సాగరం లో ఓలలాడుతూ, వారి సాన్నిధ్యాన్ని, సాన్నిహిత్యాన్ని తనివి తీరా అనుభవిస్తూ, మీతో పాటు పదిమందిని స్వామికి చేరువ చేయాలని తపించే విశాల హృదయం మీది.🙏 అఖిల మానవులకు ఆనందమొనగూర్చే స్వామిని మీ చతురొక్తులతో, చలొక్తులతో బ్రహ్మానంద పరచిన సన్నివేశాలను మేము మరువగలమా! అందుకే స్వామివారు మీ నిర్మల నిస్వార్థ హృదయాన్ని మెచ్చి మిమ్మల్ని తమ పక్కనే పెట్టుకున్నారు. విజయ సారథి కవి వర్యులు వ్రాసినవి అక్షర సత్యాలు, ఆణిముత్యాలు. అయితే వారు కానీ , నేను కానీ ఎంత వర్ణించినా, సూర్యుని ముందు చిరు దివ్వెను వెలిగించడమే అని నా భావన.🙏 -- Sreenivasulu, Editor Sanathana Sarathi
అ-నిల్ అంటే, అహంకారం నిల్ అని సాక్షాత్ స్వామి వారి చే కొనియాడబడిన ధన్య చరితులు మీరు🙏 నిరంతరం మీరు స్వామివారి ప్రేమ సాగరం లో ఓలలాడుతూ, వారి సాన్నిధ్యాన్ని, సాన్నిహిత్యాన్ని తనివి తీరా అనుభవిస్తూ, మీతో పాటు పదిమందిని స్వామికి చేరువ చేయాలని తపించే విశాల హృదయం మీది.🙏 అఖిల మానవులకు ఆనందమొనగూర్చే స్వామిని మీ చతురొక్తులతో, చలొక్తులతో బ్రహ్మానంద పరచిన సన్నివేశాలను మేము మరువగలమా! అందుకే స్వామివారు మీ నిర్మల నిస్వార్థ హృదయాన్ని మెచ్చి మిమ్మల్ని తమ పక్కనే పెట్టుకున్నారు. విజయ సారథి కవి వర్యులు వ్రాసినవి అక్షర సత్యాలు, ఆణిముత్యాలు. అయితే వారు కానీ , నేను కానీ ఎంత వర్ణించినా, సూర్యుని ముందు చిరు దివ్వెను వెలిగించడమే అని నా భావన.🙏 -- Sreenivasulu, Editor Sanathana Sarathi
💯% truth sir👍🙏😂🥳❤️😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘 మా ఆదర్శ ఆధ్యాత్మిక సత్యసాయి భక్తులు ,గురువుగారు. తరతరాలకి ఆదర్శ పురుషులు .ఒకరకంగా కారణజన్ములు🙏🙏❤️❤️😘😘😘sir
సాయిరాం సార్.. ఈ సృష్టి ఉన్నంత వరకు సత్యసాయి అవతారాన్ని ప్రపంచం గుర్తు పెట్టుకుంటుంది... అలాగే మా నిగర్వి ,నిరంహకారి, ప్రేమ మూర్తి ,ప్రొఫెసర్ నవ యవ్వనులు కామరాజు అనిల్ కుమార్ గారిని కూడా ఈ ప్రపంచం సత్యసాయిని గుర్తుపెట్టుకున్నట్లు గుర్తు పెట్టుకుంటుంది 🙏❤️👍🥳😂😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
సాయిరాం సార్...🙏 సత్యసాయి అవతారం వైభవాన్ని వర్ణించటం ఎవరి తరము కాదు... అలానే మా ఆదర్శ ఆధ్యాత్మిక గురువు అయిన మీ గుణగణాలను వర్ణించడం కూడా ఎవరి తరం కాదు... మీ గురించి ఎంత వర్ణించినా అది తక్కువే సార్😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘 సార్
సాయి రామ్ సర్🙏
పలికినవారు వీర భ ద్రు లు ,
పలికించిన వారు సాయి ప్రభువులు ,
ఆలకించు జనులు ధన్యులు,
సాయి సేవలో మీరు చరితార్థులు🙏
భక్తకోటికి స్ఫూర్తి దాతలు🙏
పలికినవారు వీర భ ద్రు లు ,
పలికించిన వారు సాయి ప్రభువులు ,
ఆలకించు జనులు ధన్యులు,
సాయి సేవలో మీరు చరితార్థులు🙏
భక్తకోటికి స్ఫూర్తి దాతలు🙏
HIS BIGGEST MANIFESTATION FOR ME...HIS LOVE
An Interview with Professor Anil Kumar
An Interview with Professor Anil Kumar
Prof. Anil Kumar is best known for translating Swami's discourses into English. He also gives very popular talks on Sunday mornings in Prashanti Nilayam and visits many Sai centres for the same purpose. He has been the Principal of the Brindavan campus and even today serves in the Prasanthi Nilayam campus as a faculty member in the Department of Bio-Chemistry in the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning.
Besides, Prof. Anil Kumar has authored a number of books on Bhagawan Baba, the famous among them being the "Satyaponishad" series which is a conversation between him and the Lord. An ever-green inspiration to one and all, the below is an edited transcript of an interview with him donducted by Mr. David (D) and Ms. Ann Jevons (Ann) from the UK.
Besides, Prof. Anil Kumar has authored a number of books on Bhagawan Baba, the famous among them being the "Satyaponishad" series which is a conversation between him and the Lord. An ever-green inspiration to one and all, the below is an edited transcript of an interview with him donducted by Mr. David (D) and Ms. Ann Jevons (Ann) from the UK.
David (D): How did you first come to hear about Sai Baba and what attracted you to Him in the first place?
Anil Kumar: Back in the year 1970, an eminent devotee and a great scientist by the name of Dr. Bhagavantam happened to visit the town where I lived, and he gave a talk, narrating his experiences with Sai Baba in a most scientific manner, which made a deep impression on me. Later on that year I had some family problems, and so I went to Prasanthi Nilayam to ask Sai Baba for help. I can tell you that I didn't get an opportunity to talk to Him, I didn't get to touch His Feet and, as a result, I experienced five very unsuccessful days of togetherness. He was so divinely mischievous. He spoke to almost every person there but me, yet when I returned home I discovered that the family problem had been solved.
The health of my wife had become very bad and when I was at Prasanthi Nilayam I prayed within myself saying, "If you really are God, then please give her back to me in good health. We have four children and if she dies I can't take care of the children by myself." Well, without talking to Him, without any padanamaskara (the opportunity of touching His feet) or anything of that sort, she regained perfect health.
After this I started reading His discourse series, Sathya Sai Speaks, and I became very inspired. As a student I was always first in elocution and debating contests, never in academics. I was never a gold medallist in studies, but in all the elocution competitions and inter-university competitions I always came first. I was very much interested in public speaking and learning effective communication skills. So having been inspired by Swami's discourses I started sharing with small groups about them, and then people started inviting me to come and talk to them about Sai Baba. This went on for eight years.
I went to see Sai Baba on many occasions, but He ignored me, year after year, and not just me, but the whole row in which I was seated. I used to tell my friends that they could sit by me in the canteen and the hotel but never in Darshan, because Sai Baba would certainly never look at them! However after eight long years of waiting He did call me and, what is more, He asked me to give a talk in the Poornachandra Auditorium and ever since I have been in close contact with Him.
D: Will you tell us about how you first came into contact with Sai Baba? I know that you have told us this story before, but many of our readers will not have heard it, and I personally find it very amusing.
Anil Kumar: Back in the year 1970, an eminent devotee and a great scientist by the name of Dr. Bhagavantam happened to visit the town where I lived, and he gave a talk, narrating his experiences with Sai Baba in a most scientific manner, which made a deep impression on me. Later on that year I had some family problems, and so I went to Prasanthi Nilayam to ask Sai Baba for help. I can tell you that I didn't get an opportunity to talk to Him, I didn't get to touch His Feet and, as a result, I experienced five very unsuccessful days of togetherness. He was so divinely mischievous. He spoke to almost every person there but me, yet when I returned home I discovered that the family problem had been solved.
The health of my wife had become very bad and when I was at Prasanthi Nilayam I prayed within myself saying, "If you really are God, then please give her back to me in good health. We have four children and if she dies I can't take care of the children by myself." Well, without talking to Him, without any padanamaskara (the opportunity of touching His feet) or anything of that sort, she regained perfect health.
After this I started reading His discourse series, Sathya Sai Speaks, and I became very inspired. As a student I was always first in elocution and debating contests, never in academics. I was never a gold medallist in studies, but in all the elocution competitions and inter-university competitions I always came first. I was very much interested in public speaking and learning effective communication skills. So having been inspired by Swami's discourses I started sharing with small groups about them, and then people started inviting me to come and talk to them about Sai Baba. This went on for eight years.
I went to see Sai Baba on many occasions, but He ignored me, year after year, and not just me, but the whole row in which I was seated. I used to tell my friends that they could sit by me in the canteen and the hotel but never in Darshan, because Sai Baba would certainly never look at them! However after eight long years of waiting He did call me and, what is more, He asked me to give a talk in the Poornachandra Auditorium and ever since I have been in close contact with Him.
D: Will you tell us about how you first came into contact with Sai Baba? I know that you have told us this story before, but many of our readers will not have heard it, and I personally find it very amusing.
Anil Kumar: Well, in 1977, after eight years of exile, I was travelling to Prasanthi Nilayam when Sai Baba's car passed by me on the road going to Anantapur, so I turned around and followed Him to Anantapur. There I discovered that Sai Baba was busy with some trust committee in the Girl's College. Now, in the Girl's College in Anantapur, as you well know, even male mosquitoes are not permitted to enter! So I was stuck outside the gate pleading with the watchman to allow me to enter, but he would not let me in and so I waited helplessly there.
Then Swami suddenly appeared at a door, surrounded by several important people, and the watchman took pity on me and said, "Sir, you are free to walk a few steps inside the gate, but please don't go any further." I said, "OK" and walked in.
Suddenly Swami shouted, "Anil Kumar, come here" and I started running towards Him, thinking, "How does He know my name? Why has He ignored me all these eight years? Why did He not look at me? Does He not know my problems?" whilst at the same time feeling totally blissful. Swami said, "Oh, last night you gave a lecture about Me and everyone liked it" and then He said, "How is your wife?" I replied "Swami, it was she who brought me to You."
"I know," He said, and then materialised some vibhuthi for me and told me to come and see Him in Puttaparthi.
D: Tell us how you came to be Sai Baba's interpreter. What was the sequence of events that led up to your selection for this job?
Anil Kumar: Well, I was the State President of the Sathya Sai Organisation in Andhra Pradesh, and as a person holding this important office I used to attend the World Council meetings. One year it so happened that Sai Baba convened a meeting of the members of the World Council in the Mandir. Suddenly He needed an interpreter and since I come from Andhra Pradesh where Telegu is spoken He immediately picked me out and asked me to translate. At the end of the talk He just said, "Oh, fast, very fast!" and that was that and no opportunity presented itself to act as interpreter again for some time. In 1989 I was appointed the Principal of the Sathya Sai Baba College in Whitefield, the Brindavan Campus, and since that time I have been the regular interpreter.
Then Swami suddenly appeared at a door, surrounded by several important people, and the watchman took pity on me and said, "Sir, you are free to walk a few steps inside the gate, but please don't go any further." I said, "OK" and walked in.
Suddenly Swami shouted, "Anil Kumar, come here" and I started running towards Him, thinking, "How does He know my name? Why has He ignored me all these eight years? Why did He not look at me? Does He not know my problems?" whilst at the same time feeling totally blissful. Swami said, "Oh, last night you gave a lecture about Me and everyone liked it" and then He said, "How is your wife?" I replied "Swami, it was she who brought me to You."
"I know," He said, and then materialised some vibhuthi for me and told me to come and see Him in Puttaparthi.
D: Tell us how you came to be Sai Baba's interpreter. What was the sequence of events that led up to your selection for this job?
Anil Kumar: Well, I was the State President of the Sathya Sai Organisation in Andhra Pradesh, and as a person holding this important office I used to attend the World Council meetings. One year it so happened that Sai Baba convened a meeting of the members of the World Council in the Mandir. Suddenly He needed an interpreter and since I come from Andhra Pradesh where Telegu is spoken He immediately picked me out and asked me to translate. At the end of the talk He just said, "Oh, fast, very fast!" and that was that and no opportunity presented itself to act as interpreter again for some time. In 1989 I was appointed the Principal of the Sathya Sai Baba College in Whitefield, the Brindavan Campus, and since that time I have been the regular interpreter.
All that I can say about this role is that I'm not always hundred per cent successful in interpreting, I'm not particularly competent at it and I'm certainly not the only man who can do it. I regard the role more as an opportunity extended to me than something that I have sought. It is more like a blessing conferred on me than an answer to a prayer. I have faltered many times and Sai Baba always corrects me, so I know that I still have a long way to go. I know that I am not perfect, but I just hope that I fulfil the needs of the devotees.
D: By most people's standards you are very close to Sai Baba and I say this not only because you are His interpreter but also because, sitting on the verandah, you are in His presence most days and are always conversing with Him. What has being close to Sai Baba taught you about Him?
Anil Kumar: I will be very frank with you, because I know that Western people, people such as the Americans and the British, appreciate frankness and I, in turn, appreciate them for that reason. Firstly, you say that I am close to Swami but, in my experience, the way to get close to Sai Baba is never to discuss personal matters with Him - and by personal matters I mean things like family problems, ashram problems, problems with colleagues, problems with the College, problems with my health, or problems at home.
D: By most people's standards you are very close to Sai Baba and I say this not only because you are His interpreter but also because, sitting on the verandah, you are in His presence most days and are always conversing with Him. What has being close to Sai Baba taught you about Him?
Anil Kumar: I will be very frank with you, because I know that Western people, people such as the Americans and the British, appreciate frankness and I, in turn, appreciate them for that reason. Firstly, you say that I am close to Swami but, in my experience, the way to get close to Sai Baba is never to discuss personal matters with Him - and by personal matters I mean things like family problems, ashram problems, problems with colleagues, problems with the College, problems with my health, or problems at home.
Secondly, I'm very much interested in the message of Sai Baba and so I want to know everything about Him, I want clarification on all His teachings because I'm interested in sharing them with anyone who wants to listen to me. It is a fact that when I talk and share with people about Sai Baba I forget where I am, I forget all my problems, I forget everything, because sharing the message of Sai gives me the greatest joy.
So when I have doubts about any aspect of the teachings I want clarification, who else can tell me but Sai. So, slowly, I begin to 'tickle' and 'tease' Swami, to put Him in an inconvenient position, even sometimes to cause irritation, so that I can draw a divine answer out of Him, which I can then share with everybody.
Thirdly, I tell Him quite openly how happy I am with Him, how nice He looks that morning, how beautiful is His dress, how sweet was His morning darshan, how well behaved are His schoolboys, how wonderful was His morning discourse and how well received He was by His devotees. I think it is these three factors that have brought me close to Him.
D: What is the greatest truth that Swami has taught you?
So when I have doubts about any aspect of the teachings I want clarification, who else can tell me but Sai. So, slowly, I begin to 'tickle' and 'tease' Swami, to put Him in an inconvenient position, even sometimes to cause irritation, so that I can draw a divine answer out of Him, which I can then share with everybody.
Thirdly, I tell Him quite openly how happy I am with Him, how nice He looks that morning, how beautiful is His dress, how sweet was His morning darshan, how well behaved are His schoolboys, how wonderful was His morning discourse and how well received He was by His devotees. I think it is these three factors that have brought me close to Him.
D: What is the greatest truth that Swami has taught you?
Anil Kumar: The greatest truth that Swami has taught me is a kind of preparedness to accept anything that comes to me in life, good or bad, so it is acceptance, or if you want to use another term, 'spiritual surrender'. Surrender, I think, is a higher word than acceptance. If something unpleasant happens in my life, well that doesn't make me run away from here. If manna from heaven falls upon me, well that doesn't make me feel egotistical or proud. I am prepared to accept with equanimity whatever happens to me, both the good and the unpleasant, and no matter what happens I will continue to love Sai Baba, listen to His message, share the joy, the thrill, and the excitement of His mission with everybody. The greatest gift that Sai Baba can give me is to allow me to participate in His divine mission.
D: I think that for most devotees that is a very difficult lesson to learn, especially for those who have become physically close to Swami, and then He apparently starts ignoring them, and note that I say 'apparently'. They go to see Him one trip and He recognises and speaks to them and then on the next trip He seems to ignore them. They feel quite rejected.
Anil Kumar: It's courtship!
D: Yes, that's right, but it's still very difficult for devotees to accept what appears to be rejection.
Anil Kumar: It is very similar to problems at home with the wife or children. If I spend a lot of time away from home working in the college or the ashram the children will say to me, "Daddy, you have no time to spend with us." Being a father is very demanding; I know that to be true.
D: I think that for most devotees that is a very difficult lesson to learn, especially for those who have become physically close to Swami, and then He apparently starts ignoring them, and note that I say 'apparently'. They go to see Him one trip and He recognises and speaks to them and then on the next trip He seems to ignore them. They feel quite rejected.
Anil Kumar: It's courtship!
D: Yes, that's right, but it's still very difficult for devotees to accept what appears to be rejection.
Anil Kumar: It is very similar to problems at home with the wife or children. If I spend a lot of time away from home working in the college or the ashram the children will say to me, "Daddy, you have no time to spend with us." Being a father is very demanding; I know that to be true.
D: Would you like to tell us about the greatest manifestation that you have ever seen Swami do?
Anil Kumar: For me His greatest manifestation is what I call His concern, His love. Let me give you an example. Several years ago I was waiting for the results of my son's engineering entrance examination, but on the very morning when the results were to be published the President of India, the first citizen of this country, was to visit Prashanti Nilayam.
Sai Baba slowly, softly, smilingly came walking up to me in Darshan and standing in front of me He lifted up both of His arms and He enquired, "How are you, Sir?"
I replied, "Swami, I am very fine."
Sai Baba then said to me "How about your son?" and I replied, "Waiting for the results, Swami." Sai Baba responded "No, no. He is going to be selected, he is going to be an engineer, he is going to pass with distinction, don't worry, Anil Kumar."
I immediately fell at His Feet and I thought to myself, "Oh God, when the President of India and all the VIPs are waiting at the door, you still manage to show concern for this little, unimportant fellow, Anil Kumar. I am grateful to you Swami, for this concern, this love, which rises above position, status and money." So, yes, for me, His biggest manifestation is His love.
D: We were present that night in Swami’s house at Kodaikanal, when Swami materialised a watch for you after you had translated His speech. What is the greatest physical materialisation that you have seen Him create?
Anil Kumar: For me His greatest manifestation is what I call His concern, His love. Let me give you an example. Several years ago I was waiting for the results of my son's engineering entrance examination, but on the very morning when the results were to be published the President of India, the first citizen of this country, was to visit Prashanti Nilayam.
Sai Baba slowly, softly, smilingly came walking up to me in Darshan and standing in front of me He lifted up both of His arms and He enquired, "How are you, Sir?"
I replied, "Swami, I am very fine."
Sai Baba then said to me "How about your son?" and I replied, "Waiting for the results, Swami." Sai Baba responded "No, no. He is going to be selected, he is going to be an engineer, he is going to pass with distinction, don't worry, Anil Kumar."
I immediately fell at His Feet and I thought to myself, "Oh God, when the President of India and all the VIPs are waiting at the door, you still manage to show concern for this little, unimportant fellow, Anil Kumar. I am grateful to you Swami, for this concern, this love, which rises above position, status and money." So, yes, for me, His biggest manifestation is His love.
D: We were present that night in Swami’s house at Kodaikanal, when Swami materialised a watch for you after you had translated His speech. What is the greatest physical materialisation that you have seen Him create?
Anil Kumar: I don't know how many of you have heard of Balarama. Now Balarama was the brother of Krishna. Sai Baba announced one day that on the very next day He was going to invite His schoolboys and some guests to a very special lunch. I asked Swami why the lunch was 'special', to which He replied that He was going to speak on the subject of the wedding of Balarama to Revathi, because tomorrow was the anniversary of their wedding day. The lunch was to be a banquet with twenty-five items on the menu. So on the very next day this special banquet, the wedding lunch, took place with twenty-five items on the menu, and foreigners and many guests of honour attended it.
That evening Swami gave a talk. He described how all the Gods and Goddesses attended the wedding of Balarama and Revathi. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva attended this divine celebration with all the other dieties and towards the end of the ceremony Brahma gave a wedding gift.
Someone asked Swami, "What was the wedding gift?" At this point Sai Baba's hand described three circles in the air, there was a buzzing sound like that of a honeybee and to the shock and astonishment of those present He materialised an article that was the size of a jug.
Well, let me describe that article. It was an arch studded with diamonds, four rows of four, and there must have been around 200 diamonds in the arch. The frame of the arch was made up of gold with again diamonds in rows of four. There was a platform of gold, and in the centre an ornamental swan hung by a golden chain with diamond eyes, and in the centre, the stomach of the swan was like a glass, it was transparent. Everybody started looking at it in sheer amazement.
Sai Baba said "Anil, look at it." "Oh, it is wonderful, Swami," I replied and He said, "No, look at the nose of the swan."
I said, "Yes, Swami, it is so beautiful."
Sai Baba then said, "No, look at the eyes of the swan."
"Yes, Swami," I replied, "They are made of diamonds."
"No, no" said Swami, "You are a fool," to which I responded, "Swami, that is nothing new. I know that I am a fool. That is not saying anything that I do not already know. I am not about to become a fool all of a sudden. Let me continue to be a fool!"
Then Swami said, "Look at the stomach, you fool." I looked at the stomach and what did I find there, nothing less than the figure of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba in a reclining posture. Now that is manifestation. I don't think that I will ever see another manifestation like that in the years to come.
D: We once made Sai Baba laugh in an interview by using the expression 'Baba stories', which is the name that we use to describe the stories that devotees pass around about Sai Baba's doings and materialisations. Indeed, Swami Himself once said that Baba stories are better then bhajans, because people often go to sleep in bhajans whereas people always stay awake when Baba stories are being told because they are interested. What is the best Baba story that you have heard?
Anil Kumar: Yes, some people do indeed go to sleep during bhajans, but that is because of one reason - they don't understand the meaning of the bhajans. They go into slumber because there is no yearning or sincerity or pining for God. People sleep because their heart is not ready, their mind is full of worldly thoughts, of business and day-to-day matters. Baba stories, on the other hand, never put people to sleep because they are understood immediately, they are full of fun and frolic, and also because they apply to our day-to-day situation, because they make you laugh.
Let me give you a simple example. One day, in Darshan, Sai Baba was talking to the children from the primary school. He asked one young boy, just six or seven years old, "Where do you come from, boy?"
The boy replied, "Swami, I come from you."
Sai Baba then turned around and said to all the VIP's sitting on the verandah, "See, if I was to ask you that question, you would say 'I come from Bombay' or 'I come from Madras' or 'I come from England', but this little boy says 'I come from you', now that is divine. Children are divine."
Then Sai Baba put a second question to the boy, "How many brothers do you have?"
Back comes the reply, "Swami, all are my brothers."
Sai Baba then said. "See how broad minded children are. This little boy considers all are his brothers, but if I were to ask you that question, you would say 'Two brothers, Swami' or 'Three brothers, Swami', you are so narrow minded."
Then Sai Baba put a third question to the boy, "How many sisters do you have?" Back comes the reply, "Swami, all are my sisters." "No, no, no" said Sai Baba, "All are your sisters excepting one, your wife." Well, everybody laughed and then Sai Baba asked the boy, "How many wives do you have?" to which the boy replied, "Swami, all are my wives."
"Oh no, no, no, you are wrong," said Sai Baba, adding, "That boy thinks that he is smart enough to give a reply to Bhagawan."
Then Swami said to the boy, "Who are you?" Back comes the reply, "Swami, I am God." Sai Baba then said, "Well, if you are God, then you can go and give Darshan" and everyone burst into laughter. People love His jokes, His humour.
D: What do you regard as being the greatest success that has come from your relationship with Sai Baba?
That evening Swami gave a talk. He described how all the Gods and Goddesses attended the wedding of Balarama and Revathi. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva attended this divine celebration with all the other dieties and towards the end of the ceremony Brahma gave a wedding gift.
Someone asked Swami, "What was the wedding gift?" At this point Sai Baba's hand described three circles in the air, there was a buzzing sound like that of a honeybee and to the shock and astonishment of those present He materialised an article that was the size of a jug.
Well, let me describe that article. It was an arch studded with diamonds, four rows of four, and there must have been around 200 diamonds in the arch. The frame of the arch was made up of gold with again diamonds in rows of four. There was a platform of gold, and in the centre an ornamental swan hung by a golden chain with diamond eyes, and in the centre, the stomach of the swan was like a glass, it was transparent. Everybody started looking at it in sheer amazement.
Sai Baba said "Anil, look at it." "Oh, it is wonderful, Swami," I replied and He said, "No, look at the nose of the swan."
I said, "Yes, Swami, it is so beautiful."
Sai Baba then said, "No, look at the eyes of the swan."
"Yes, Swami," I replied, "They are made of diamonds."
"No, no" said Swami, "You are a fool," to which I responded, "Swami, that is nothing new. I know that I am a fool. That is not saying anything that I do not already know. I am not about to become a fool all of a sudden. Let me continue to be a fool!"
Then Swami said, "Look at the stomach, you fool." I looked at the stomach and what did I find there, nothing less than the figure of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba in a reclining posture. Now that is manifestation. I don't think that I will ever see another manifestation like that in the years to come.
D: We once made Sai Baba laugh in an interview by using the expression 'Baba stories', which is the name that we use to describe the stories that devotees pass around about Sai Baba's doings and materialisations. Indeed, Swami Himself once said that Baba stories are better then bhajans, because people often go to sleep in bhajans whereas people always stay awake when Baba stories are being told because they are interested. What is the best Baba story that you have heard?
Anil Kumar: Yes, some people do indeed go to sleep during bhajans, but that is because of one reason - they don't understand the meaning of the bhajans. They go into slumber because there is no yearning or sincerity or pining for God. People sleep because their heart is not ready, their mind is full of worldly thoughts, of business and day-to-day matters. Baba stories, on the other hand, never put people to sleep because they are understood immediately, they are full of fun and frolic, and also because they apply to our day-to-day situation, because they make you laugh.
Let me give you a simple example. One day, in Darshan, Sai Baba was talking to the children from the primary school. He asked one young boy, just six or seven years old, "Where do you come from, boy?"
The boy replied, "Swami, I come from you."
Sai Baba then turned around and said to all the VIP's sitting on the verandah, "See, if I was to ask you that question, you would say 'I come from Bombay' or 'I come from Madras' or 'I come from England', but this little boy says 'I come from you', now that is divine. Children are divine."
Then Sai Baba put a second question to the boy, "How many brothers do you have?"
Back comes the reply, "Swami, all are my brothers."
Sai Baba then said. "See how broad minded children are. This little boy considers all are his brothers, but if I were to ask you that question, you would say 'Two brothers, Swami' or 'Three brothers, Swami', you are so narrow minded."
Then Sai Baba put a third question to the boy, "How many sisters do you have?" Back comes the reply, "Swami, all are my sisters." "No, no, no" said Sai Baba, "All are your sisters excepting one, your wife." Well, everybody laughed and then Sai Baba asked the boy, "How many wives do you have?" to which the boy replied, "Swami, all are my wives."
"Oh no, no, no, you are wrong," said Sai Baba, adding, "That boy thinks that he is smart enough to give a reply to Bhagawan."
Then Swami said to the boy, "Who are you?" Back comes the reply, "Swami, I am God." Sai Baba then said, "Well, if you are God, then you can go and give Darshan" and everyone burst into laughter. People love His jokes, His humour.
D: What do you regard as being the greatest success that has come from your relationship with Sai Baba?
Anil Kumar: Yes, that is a good question. Do not misunderstand me if I put across this point of view. You may not agree with me. The Hindu philosophy is so vast that it can be very confusing. One school of philosophy speaks of Non-dualism or Advaita, another speaks of Qualified non-dualism or Vishista Advaita, another speaks of Dualism or Dvaita. Yet another school of philosophy preaches the worship of God in form, Sakara, another wants you to worship the formless God, Nirakara, the third wants you to worship God without attributes, Nirguna, the fourth wants you worship God with attributes, Saguna and so on. What am I to do?
One guru says that you should follow the path of action, Karma Yoga, another says that you should follow the path of devotion, Bhakti Yoga, and there are nine ways of devotion, the third says that you should follow the path of wisdom, Jnana Yoga. There are literally thousands of Gods in existence and I sometimes think that the number of Gods exceeds the human population. What am I to do?
It is at that moment that Sai Baba steps into my life. He teaches that jewels are many, but gold is one, that cows are many, but milk is one, that flowers are many, but worship is one, that beings are many, but breath is one, that stars are many, but sky is one, that nations are many, but Earth is one, that forms are many, but God is one. He teaches the principle of oneness, of unity, of Advaita.
So the greatest gift that I have received from Sai Baba is clarity in my thought, accuracy in my approach, exactness in my practice, giving no scope for any doubt or confusion whatsoever. I've now got very clear views; no one can confuse me, because Sai Baba has given me a clear picture of philosophy. That is the greatest gift that Sai Baba could have given me and I want nothing more from Him than that. I don't want any of the rings, chains or lockets that He gives away. That stage has gone forever.
D: Can you look back and see some incident in your relationship with Sai Baba where at the time you thought it was a great mistake, a failure, but, on looking back now, you can see it as a great learning experience? Was there ever a time when you thought that you had really blown it but, subsequently, it turned out to produce a giant leap in faith or consciousness for you?
Anil Kumar: On a personal note, I come from a family that, for three generations now, has followed a religion, which worships God without a form; a God Who does not experience either birth or death. We worship a God without attributes. We don't believe in reincarnation. We don't accept Rama and Krishna. We don't follow any form of worship. We think of God as a phenomenon, as a being Who is beyond birth and death. Now I was brought up in that belief, so Sai Baba took eight years to make me deserving enough to accept Him, to make me ready to accept His philosophy, to make me ripe enough to absorb what He had to give me. So I had an eight-year period of probation, to make me more sympathetic and receptive to Him. At the time it wasn't a very pleasant experience, but looking back now I can see that it was necessary for me, and I have no regrets.
D: More and more foreigners are coming to the ashram, especially in recent years. As I look at the scarves of the devotees in the Darshan lines I am continually seeing the emblems of countries that I have never seen before, some from quite small and remote countries. Has Sai Baba ever said anything to you about the foreigners that come to the ashram and what is their purpose in His mission?
Anil Kumar: Well, I'm not very happy when I say that I have to envy you your position. We Indians feel very jealous about this, but I will be honest with you! Sai Baba is often telling His students and those people who are very close to Him physically that if they want to learn what devotion is they should watch the foreigners. Sai Baba says that even if He doesn't talk to the foreigners, even if He doesn't look directly at them, even if He does not get physically close to them, what a tremendous satisfaction they still get just from watching Him in Darshan. He says that their eyes dance in ecstasy, their faces break into smiles and are full of joy and bliss, like 1,000 watt light bulbs, whereas many of the Indians are unsmiling and their faces look like they've taken castor oil.
One guru says that you should follow the path of action, Karma Yoga, another says that you should follow the path of devotion, Bhakti Yoga, and there are nine ways of devotion, the third says that you should follow the path of wisdom, Jnana Yoga. There are literally thousands of Gods in existence and I sometimes think that the number of Gods exceeds the human population. What am I to do?
It is at that moment that Sai Baba steps into my life. He teaches that jewels are many, but gold is one, that cows are many, but milk is one, that flowers are many, but worship is one, that beings are many, but breath is one, that stars are many, but sky is one, that nations are many, but Earth is one, that forms are many, but God is one. He teaches the principle of oneness, of unity, of Advaita.
So the greatest gift that I have received from Sai Baba is clarity in my thought, accuracy in my approach, exactness in my practice, giving no scope for any doubt or confusion whatsoever. I've now got very clear views; no one can confuse me, because Sai Baba has given me a clear picture of philosophy. That is the greatest gift that Sai Baba could have given me and I want nothing more from Him than that. I don't want any of the rings, chains or lockets that He gives away. That stage has gone forever.
D: Can you look back and see some incident in your relationship with Sai Baba where at the time you thought it was a great mistake, a failure, but, on looking back now, you can see it as a great learning experience? Was there ever a time when you thought that you had really blown it but, subsequently, it turned out to produce a giant leap in faith or consciousness for you?
Anil Kumar: On a personal note, I come from a family that, for three generations now, has followed a religion, which worships God without a form; a God Who does not experience either birth or death. We worship a God without attributes. We don't believe in reincarnation. We don't accept Rama and Krishna. We don't follow any form of worship. We think of God as a phenomenon, as a being Who is beyond birth and death. Now I was brought up in that belief, so Sai Baba took eight years to make me deserving enough to accept Him, to make me ready to accept His philosophy, to make me ripe enough to absorb what He had to give me. So I had an eight-year period of probation, to make me more sympathetic and receptive to Him. At the time it wasn't a very pleasant experience, but looking back now I can see that it was necessary for me, and I have no regrets.
D: More and more foreigners are coming to the ashram, especially in recent years. As I look at the scarves of the devotees in the Darshan lines I am continually seeing the emblems of countries that I have never seen before, some from quite small and remote countries. Has Sai Baba ever said anything to you about the foreigners that come to the ashram and what is their purpose in His mission?
Anil Kumar: Well, I'm not very happy when I say that I have to envy you your position. We Indians feel very jealous about this, but I will be honest with you! Sai Baba is often telling His students and those people who are very close to Him physically that if they want to learn what devotion is they should watch the foreigners. Sai Baba says that even if He doesn't talk to the foreigners, even if He doesn't look directly at them, even if He does not get physically close to them, what a tremendous satisfaction they still get just from watching Him in Darshan. He says that their eyes dance in ecstasy, their faces break into smiles and are full of joy and bliss, like 1,000 watt light bulbs, whereas many of the Indians are unsmiling and their faces look like they've taken castor oil.
Sai Baba also says that if He says "Hello" to a foreigner and asks Him where he comes from, all of his friends gather around Him afterwards and say, "Swami, talked to you, what did He say, share with us how it felt" and they share their joy around, whereas many of the Indians are jealous and feel envious that Swami has spoken to someone else. Swami also points out that immediately after Darshan many Indians get up and walk away, whereas the foreigners sit in silence and meditate and think of Swami and, as a result, they receive the divine energy from Swami, whereas the Indians start to gossip and so lose that energy.
Sai Baba compares the foreigners to honey bees who fly long distances, land on the lotus flower of Bhagavan and suck up the nectar of the divine, partake of His message and mission, and then return to their own countries full of satisfaction, joy and bliss, with good thoughts of Swami whereas many Indians are like frogs, hiding under the leaves of the lotus flower, unaware of the divine nectar that is available to them. Sai Baba says that they are near but not dear to Him.
On one occasion Sai Baba used the analogy of a lighthouse to make the same point. He said that Sai Baba is like a lighthouse. The light from the lighthouse goes to far off distances but right underneath the lighthouse there is a shadow, a place of total darkness, and so those from afar bask in the light of the lighthouse, whereas those that are close to it live in darkness or ignorance of the light. Sai Baba has also said that many foreigners have a better knowledge of Sai Teachings, read more of Sai literature, exemplify His message more purely than many Indians. Finally, most foreigners come from a very high standard of life and here in Puttaparthi they bear many inconveniences gladly. Why do they do this? It is for Swami. Anyway I am going to stop here because I don't want to criticise myself anymore by recalling anything further that Swami has said about this subject!
D: The next ten years are supposed to be very difficult years both for the planet and for Humanity living on it (this interview was done in 1999). Have you heard anything about this from Swami, about what is going to be taking place on the Earth in the next ten years and I'm talking now in terms of major Earth changes?
Sai Baba compares the foreigners to honey bees who fly long distances, land on the lotus flower of Bhagavan and suck up the nectar of the divine, partake of His message and mission, and then return to their own countries full of satisfaction, joy and bliss, with good thoughts of Swami whereas many Indians are like frogs, hiding under the leaves of the lotus flower, unaware of the divine nectar that is available to them. Sai Baba says that they are near but not dear to Him.
On one occasion Sai Baba used the analogy of a lighthouse to make the same point. He said that Sai Baba is like a lighthouse. The light from the lighthouse goes to far off distances but right underneath the lighthouse there is a shadow, a place of total darkness, and so those from afar bask in the light of the lighthouse, whereas those that are close to it live in darkness or ignorance of the light. Sai Baba has also said that many foreigners have a better knowledge of Sai Teachings, read more of Sai literature, exemplify His message more purely than many Indians. Finally, most foreigners come from a very high standard of life and here in Puttaparthi they bear many inconveniences gladly. Why do they do this? It is for Swami. Anyway I am going to stop here because I don't want to criticise myself anymore by recalling anything further that Swami has said about this subject!
D: The next ten years are supposed to be very difficult years both for the planet and for Humanity living on it (this interview was done in 1999). Have you heard anything about this from Swami, about what is going to be taking place on the Earth in the next ten years and I'm talking now in terms of major Earth changes?
Anil Kumar: Well, I personally don't think that such changes are all going to happen in a ten-year period. Sai Baba has talked about the future, but only in general terms of it being confusing, disturbing and agitating. He has said that there will be no peace or harmony in the home, no understanding even amongst the members of the same family. There will be no peace in society at large as, with the advances in the fields of science and technology, man is acquiring more and more conveniences, and material possessions and, as a result, is becoming utterly selfish. As a direct result of this man is denied both joy, happiness and a realisation of the divinity within him. He is living the life of an animal.
It is because of this that Sai Baba is here. It is in this time of turmoil and turbulence that the Sai message is so desperately needed. The Sai Baba mission has come to teach us satisfaction, commitment, dedication and selfless service, love and forbearance. Our divine qualities will give us greater joy than any business or self-centred interest, they will remove all traces of ‘I and mine’ and family self-centredness.
D: Even though more and more Westerners are now coming to India each year to see Sai Baba, it is obviously impossible for all Westerners to do this, because they cannot all fly to Puttaparthi, both for reasons of money and airline availability. So in what way do you think Swami is going to reach those Westerners who cannot come, how is He going to touch the consciousness of the West?
Anil Kumar: Sai Baba has given us an example. In an army a general is in control of a formation of ten thousand men. The general is one, but he controls thousands of men and in similar fashion every foreigner when he returns home will be able to influence thousands of other foreigners. Those who come to Puttaparthi are the selected few who are going to influence thousands of devotees both now and in the future. For example, Howard Murphet's books have influenced thousands of people all over the world and will continue to do so.
Remember the influence of Jesus Christ's apostles, how they spread his message all over the world. Similarly, today, the few disciples of Sri Ramakrishna have spread the Ramakrishna mission all over the world. Change is always going to be brought about by the few. Remember it only takes a spoonful of sugar to make a tumbler full of water sweet. So one person is all that it takes to bring about a change in many.
It is because of this that Sai Baba is here. It is in this time of turmoil and turbulence that the Sai message is so desperately needed. The Sai Baba mission has come to teach us satisfaction, commitment, dedication and selfless service, love and forbearance. Our divine qualities will give us greater joy than any business or self-centred interest, they will remove all traces of ‘I and mine’ and family self-centredness.
D: Even though more and more Westerners are now coming to India each year to see Sai Baba, it is obviously impossible for all Westerners to do this, because they cannot all fly to Puttaparthi, both for reasons of money and airline availability. So in what way do you think Swami is going to reach those Westerners who cannot come, how is He going to touch the consciousness of the West?
Anil Kumar: Sai Baba has given us an example. In an army a general is in control of a formation of ten thousand men. The general is one, but he controls thousands of men and in similar fashion every foreigner when he returns home will be able to influence thousands of other foreigners. Those who come to Puttaparthi are the selected few who are going to influence thousands of devotees both now and in the future. For example, Howard Murphet's books have influenced thousands of people all over the world and will continue to do so.
Remember the influence of Jesus Christ's apostles, how they spread his message all over the world. Similarly, today, the few disciples of Sri Ramakrishna have spread the Ramakrishna mission all over the world. Change is always going to be brought about by the few. Remember it only takes a spoonful of sugar to make a tumbler full of water sweet. So one person is all that it takes to bring about a change in many.
D: One of the main points of misunderstanding between Westerners and Sai Baba, in my opinion, is over this issue of time. Sai Baba says "I will see you tomorrow", but then tomorrow comes and He doesn't see the person, because His 'tomorrow' is obviously not our 'tomorrow'. Some devotees get really upset by this apparent breaking of a promise, by someone who they have been told is God not behaving as they think God should. What is your experience of Swami's time?
Anil Kumar: Yes, there are two standards of time. Human time is bound by the sunrise and sunset, the day and the night, and is based on the now, whereas divine time encompasses the past, the present and the future. Whatever Sai Baba says is based on divine time. For example, when I say tomorrow, I mean during the twenty-four hour period of the very next day, whereas when Swami says tomorrow it could mean any day because He thinks of the past, the present and the future as one.
Then you may say, "Well, why is this so, why does He confuse us?" The answer is that it really doesn't matter what day He sees you, because the day that He chooses will serve your purpose the best in the long run. He is not just thinking of the immediate future, as you do, He is thinking of past, present and future and of what is going to help you in the long run. You tend to think only of material benefit, whilst He thinks of spiritual benefit all time.
D: Anil, what has your relationship with Swami taught you about God?
Anil Kumar: You mean the God within?
D: Yes.
Anil Kumar: Yes, there are two standards of time. Human time is bound by the sunrise and sunset, the day and the night, and is based on the now, whereas divine time encompasses the past, the present and the future. Whatever Sai Baba says is based on divine time. For example, when I say tomorrow, I mean during the twenty-four hour period of the very next day, whereas when Swami says tomorrow it could mean any day because He thinks of the past, the present and the future as one.
Then you may say, "Well, why is this so, why does He confuse us?" The answer is that it really doesn't matter what day He sees you, because the day that He chooses will serve your purpose the best in the long run. He is not just thinking of the immediate future, as you do, He is thinking of past, present and future and of what is going to help you in the long run. You tend to think only of material benefit, whilst He thinks of spiritual benefit all time.
D: Anil, what has your relationship with Swami taught you about God?
Anil Kumar: You mean the God within?
D: Yes.
Anil Kumar: Whenever I give a talk, either in Kodaikanal or in the EHV Building here in Prashanti Nilayam, I never prepare my talk beforehand. Moreover, Swami will suddenly say to me "Anil, get up and say something" and if I feel like talking on devotion, then, He will ask me to speak on wisdom and vice versa! So all my talks are unprepared and that is the way that Swami has brought me up ever since 1978, when I gave my first talk.
The miracle of miracles is how everything always works out and how it always seems to be what people want. This, of course, is all down to Swami, because He chooses the subject matter, the points to be made and the way in which the talk unfolds. So this, above all, makes me feel that He is God. When He asks me certain questions and I answer, I often wonder how I managed to answer like that, because I know only too well how I would normally answer. One thing I do know is that you will never have the last word with Swami; He will always outsmart you. Let me give you an example.
An elderly professor who sits on the verandah one day told Swami that he was suffering from cataracts and so Swami told him to go to the hospital and have a check up. Then He looked at me and said, "You also have cataracts."
I said, "Swami, I have glasses, I don't have cataracts", to which Swami replied, "I can see you have glasses, but you have cataracts in both your eyes."
I said, "Swami, me?"
"Yes, you!" said Swami. "One eye is suffering from the cataract of attachment, the other eye is suffering from the cataract of ego" to which I replied, "Well, if that is so, Swami, then it is time for an operation. You are the divine doctor, so why don't you operate right now." Everybody laughed.
Then Swami, who is the divine master and always has the last word said "But the problem is not only in your eyes, because from top to bottom you are diseased with ego and attachment. "Then" I said to Swami, "This calls for major surgery, an immediate operation, please do it at once."
Sai Baba replied, "Oh, no, if you don't come to Me what can I do. If you come to Me, then, I will operate, but you have not yet come to Me, so what can I do?" I then said to Swami, "Swami, when am I not with You? Am I not serving in your college for the ninth successive year?"
"Ah," said Sai Baba, "You are physically here, but mentally you are somewhere else, so unless you are mentally and physically here and totally surrender to me, how can I operate." Game, set and match to Swami!
The miracle of miracles is how everything always works out and how it always seems to be what people want. This, of course, is all down to Swami, because He chooses the subject matter, the points to be made and the way in which the talk unfolds. So this, above all, makes me feel that He is God. When He asks me certain questions and I answer, I often wonder how I managed to answer like that, because I know only too well how I would normally answer. One thing I do know is that you will never have the last word with Swami; He will always outsmart you. Let me give you an example.
An elderly professor who sits on the verandah one day told Swami that he was suffering from cataracts and so Swami told him to go to the hospital and have a check up. Then He looked at me and said, "You also have cataracts."
I said, "Swami, I have glasses, I don't have cataracts", to which Swami replied, "I can see you have glasses, but you have cataracts in both your eyes."
I said, "Swami, me?"
"Yes, you!" said Swami. "One eye is suffering from the cataract of attachment, the other eye is suffering from the cataract of ego" to which I replied, "Well, if that is so, Swami, then it is time for an operation. You are the divine doctor, so why don't you operate right now." Everybody laughed.
Then Swami, who is the divine master and always has the last word said "But the problem is not only in your eyes, because from top to bottom you are diseased with ego and attachment. "Then" I said to Swami, "This calls for major surgery, an immediate operation, please do it at once."
Sai Baba replied, "Oh, no, if you don't come to Me what can I do. If you come to Me, then, I will operate, but you have not yet come to Me, so what can I do?" I then said to Swami, "Swami, when am I not with You? Am I not serving in your college for the ninth successive year?"
"Ah," said Sai Baba, "You are physically here, but mentally you are somewhere else, so unless you are mentally and physically here and totally surrender to me, how can I operate." Game, set and match to Swami!
Once I said to Swami in Kodaikanal, "Swami, you say that I am not the body, I can accept that. You say that I am not the mind, I can accept that too. You say that I am not the intellect, that seems reasonable too. You say that I am Atma, I hope that that is true. So the question I want to ask is this - when you ask someone in Darshan, "When did you come?" what exactly are You asking, because if we are not our body, then, the body has not come, if we are not our mind, then, the mind has not come, if we are not our intellect, then, the intellect has not come, so I can only be here as Atma, so why do You bother to talk to me?
Swami replied, "If you really feel that you are Atma, then, I wouldn't put that question to you at all, but because you think that you are the body, then, I ask you that question. If you really feel that you are the spirit, I would not put that question to you at all." Game, set and match to Swami again! You can never catch Him out.
I find that there are the moments of personal attachment, when God enters into my life and I get closely linked and associated with Him, when I am touched by His love and concern for me. The mistake in identity only comes when we put God on a high pedestal and say to Him, "I know that you are God and that I am human, nevertheless, I know that I can meet You when I go to church on Sunday or when I go to temple on Thursday, because I know that You will be there." The reality is not like that at all. God is in your heart and understands everything that you think, say and do. He knows the innermost secrets of your heart.
Let me give you one final example. One day, in Darshan, I was reading a letter from my daughter, who is a doctor in the USA, in Minneapolis. She was doing her internship there at the time and she had written me a very touching letter in which she told me not to worry about her, adding that Americans were very kind people, who were always ready to help her. She had experienced no problems in settling down there and in being accepted by American society. She then went on to relate about a little miracle that had happened to her.
One day, while returning home from the hospital, she missed a turning and got lost. She could not find the way back to the hostel where she was staying. Even though she felt like crying, she began singing some of Swami's bhajans instead and prayed to Swami for help. Immediately an American stopped his car and said, "May I help you? Where do you want to go?"
She gave him her address and he dropped her off at her hostel. She concluded her letter by saying, "Daddy, don't worry about me." I folded the letter and put it in my pocket, wiping away the tears of joy that were flowing down my cheeks, and then suddenly I realised that Swami was standing in front of me and so I started smiling and pretended to be happy.
Swami said to me, "Where is the letter?"
I replied, "Letter, Swami?" not wanting Him to know about my daughter's letter.
"Yes, the letter," said Swami, "the one that is there in your pocket, give it to Me."
Swami replied, "If you really feel that you are Atma, then, I wouldn't put that question to you at all, but because you think that you are the body, then, I ask you that question. If you really feel that you are the spirit, I would not put that question to you at all." Game, set and match to Swami again! You can never catch Him out.
I find that there are the moments of personal attachment, when God enters into my life and I get closely linked and associated with Him, when I am touched by His love and concern for me. The mistake in identity only comes when we put God on a high pedestal and say to Him, "I know that you are God and that I am human, nevertheless, I know that I can meet You when I go to church on Sunday or when I go to temple on Thursday, because I know that You will be there." The reality is not like that at all. God is in your heart and understands everything that you think, say and do. He knows the innermost secrets of your heart.
Let me give you one final example. One day, in Darshan, I was reading a letter from my daughter, who is a doctor in the USA, in Minneapolis. She was doing her internship there at the time and she had written me a very touching letter in which she told me not to worry about her, adding that Americans were very kind people, who were always ready to help her. She had experienced no problems in settling down there and in being accepted by American society. She then went on to relate about a little miracle that had happened to her.
One day, while returning home from the hospital, she missed a turning and got lost. She could not find the way back to the hostel where she was staying. Even though she felt like crying, she began singing some of Swami's bhajans instead and prayed to Swami for help. Immediately an American stopped his car and said, "May I help you? Where do you want to go?"
She gave him her address and he dropped her off at her hostel. She concluded her letter by saying, "Daddy, don't worry about me." I folded the letter and put it in my pocket, wiping away the tears of joy that were flowing down my cheeks, and then suddenly I realised that Swami was standing in front of me and so I started smiling and pretended to be happy.
Swami said to me, "Where is the letter?"
I replied, "Letter, Swami?" not wanting Him to know about my daughter's letter.
"Yes, the letter," said Swami, "the one that is there in your pocket, give it to Me."
I replied, "But Swami, it is a personal letter" to which He responded, "Oh, is there anything personal between you and Me? Shall I tell you the contents of that letter? If you are not going to give it to Me, I will tell you what is written in it."
I said, "Swami, it is a letter from my daughter." Sai Baba then said, "Your daughter in America constantly thinks of me, whilst you, who are here close to Me, think only of your daughter in America! That is the difference."
Ann: I would just like to ask you one question before we finish this interview. I have got very confused lately, because although I used to be very attached to Swami's physical form I am now starting to relate more to His omnipresence, but I find it very hard to relate the form to the omnipresence. I know that I am looking at His body and that He is not the body, or even the mind, as you have been saying. So how do you handle this problem?
Anil Kumar: Well, I think that the answer to that question is going to be the next step in your spiritual sadhana. There are many instances when we see Swami's face in the face of the man sitting next to us. Even though He is formless we still see Swami's face there. Similarly, when we are listening to someone talking to us, we suddenly hear Swami's voice. Sometimes we might even feel that Swami is walking alongside us. Now that is omnipresence. So let us just remember that all names, all forms are His, and try to shift our consciousness from the limited to the unlimited, from the finite to the infinite, from the form to the formless.
- Heart2Heart Team
I said, "Swami, it is a letter from my daughter." Sai Baba then said, "Your daughter in America constantly thinks of me, whilst you, who are here close to Me, think only of your daughter in America! That is the difference."
Ann: I would just like to ask you one question before we finish this interview. I have got very confused lately, because although I used to be very attached to Swami's physical form I am now starting to relate more to His omnipresence, but I find it very hard to relate the form to the omnipresence. I know that I am looking at His body and that He is not the body, or even the mind, as you have been saying. So how do you handle this problem?
Anil Kumar: Well, I think that the answer to that question is going to be the next step in your spiritual sadhana. There are many instances when we see Swami's face in the face of the man sitting next to us. Even though He is formless we still see Swami's face there. Similarly, when we are listening to someone talking to us, we suddenly hear Swami's voice. Sometimes we might even feel that Swami is walking alongside us. Now that is omnipresence. So let us just remember that all names, all forms are His, and try to shift our consciousness from the limited to the unlimited, from the finite to the infinite, from the form to the formless.
- Heart2Heart Team
This article by Prof. Anil Kumar was originally published in "Vidyagiri Divine Vision, Book of Homage Offered with Love and Reverence at the Lotus Feet of the Divine Chancellor, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba" 2006. Source: https://sathyasaiwithstudents.blogspot.com/2017/03/life-with-sri-sathya-sai-by-prof-anil.html#.XvcF3igzZPY
THE MANY-FACETED LIFE OF PROFESSOR ANIL KUMAR
A LIVING LEGEND
The following article is written by me, David Nirikshana Rao Kurakula (KDNR). I was a student of Andhra Christian College during 1965-'69 (P.U.C & B. Sc.), a resident of Wolf-Hall in the same period and a member of the Chemistry faculty from 1969-2007.
"Do you see a man skilled in his work?
He will work for kings, not unimportant people."
Proverbs 22:29
Who could it be?
ATTITUDE OF GRATITUDE:
Gratitude for his Alma mater and the teachers that directly or indirectly shaped him to be the shining star that he is now is indelibly burned into his brain and he wears it on his sleeves! Mention the name of 'Andhra Christian College, Guntur' or the name of any of his Gurus, he becomes like a man possessed. The ecstasy must only be seen to be believed! He begins to sing and dance, Yes DANCE, totally disregarding the fact of who he is and where he is!
Divinely gifted with a golden voice and a gigabyte-sized evergreen memory, he recounts fascinating facts and amusing anecdotes about the College and its rich history to regale the audiences anywhere! I was thrilled to see him do a jig on the dais, as recently as Jan 12, 2017, at the College Alumni meet attended by a galaxy of VVIPs and a large number of students of yester-years. This dancing in the public, reminded me of King David dancing in the streets, before the Ark of the Covenant, engrossed in joyful worship (2 Samuel 6:14)!
DEEPLY DEVOUT YET DOWN TO EARTH:
Unless you ask him specifically, you will never know that he is such a deeply religious man. He doesn't wear the proverbial 'Holier than thou' look. Healthy humor is his forte. He is a moving encyclopedia! Broach any subject and you will never be disappointed!
WIDELY TRAVELED AND VASTLY WISE: As far as I know, he has visited more than 108 countries, giving religious discourses. Devotees in India and abroad lap up the rivers of wisdom that come out of his mouth! He is the author of 20 books in English and 6 in Telugu!
Gratitude for his Alma mater and the teachers that directly or indirectly shaped him to be the shining star that he is now is indelibly burned into his brain and he wears it on his sleeves! Mention the name of 'Andhra Christian College, Guntur' or the name of any of his Gurus, he becomes like a man possessed. The ecstasy must only be seen to be believed! He begins to sing and dance, Yes DANCE, totally disregarding the fact of who he is and where he is!
Divinely gifted with a golden voice and a gigabyte-sized evergreen memory, he recounts fascinating facts and amusing anecdotes about the College and its rich history to regale the audiences anywhere! I was thrilled to see him do a jig on the dais, as recently as Jan 12, 2017, at the College Alumni meet attended by a galaxy of VVIPs and a large number of students of yester-years. This dancing in the public, reminded me of King David dancing in the streets, before the Ark of the Covenant, engrossed in joyful worship (2 Samuel 6:14)!
DEEPLY DEVOUT YET DOWN TO EARTH:
Unless you ask him specifically, you will never know that he is such a deeply religious man. He doesn't wear the proverbial 'Holier than thou' look. Healthy humor is his forte. He is a moving encyclopedia! Broach any subject and you will never be disappointed!
WIDELY TRAVELED AND VASTLY WISE: As far as I know, he has visited more than 108 countries, giving religious discourses. Devotees in India and abroad lap up the rivers of wisdom that come out of his mouth! He is the author of 20 books in English and 6 in Telugu!
It is becoming increasingly difficult for me to go on any further without revealing his name. So I reveal his name here & now! Who else fits exactly into all the details mentioned above?
This Living Legend is none other than S R I * A N I L * K U M A R * K A M A R A J U * G A R U !
Andhra Christian college Alumni meet at Guntur (A.P) three years back (2017)
He is the official translator of Sri Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi, conveying His message and mission to the non-Telugu speaking devotees around the world. He also worked as the Principal of 'Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning', Whitefield Campus, Bangalore, and later as the Professor of Bio-Sciences in 'Sri Sathya Sai Deemed University', Prasanthi Nilayam campus, Puttaparthi.
Links to Other Outstanding articleS about prof. anil kumar
http://media.radiosai.org/journals/Vol_04/01FEB06/an-interview-with-anil-kumar.htm
https://sathyasaiwithstudents.blogspot.com/2017/03/life-with-sri-sathya-sai-by-prof-anil.html#.XsI4UWgzZPY
http://saibaba.ws/miracles2/omniscientsai.htm