Swami Stories Taken From Sunday Talks Given by Anil Kumar

Taken from “Selected Sai Stories,” August 27th, 2000



Then He looked at me and said, "What is your other doubt?"

I said, "Swami, what is clay? What is pot? Who’s the potter?

Swami said, "Clay or mud is the nature or five elements. Pot is the individual, all of us. We are made out of this nature. The body is out of earth. There’s space inside. There’s fire inside. All the five elements are there in every one of us. So, we are made of clay, nature. After death, the whole thing will go back to nature.

So a pot is made out of clay. A pot you use again and again for years. When it falls, it breaks to pieces, again becomes clay, and again becomes pot. Pot, after breaking, becomes the clay once again. This is what we mean by birth and rebirth, the birth and death cycle. It gets repeated: clay-pot, pot-clay."

"Swami, where is the end for that?"

Swami said, "This pot has the name of a pot. This pot has a size. This pot has a lifetime, some period of existence between that period of its making and the period of its breaking, something like birth and death. Life is a span of time between birth and death. When once the pot forgets, gives up, the two, the name and form, it travels towards the Potter (the Creator, God, and Divine), which means man becomes one with God, Advaitha, the merger, moksha, nirvana, liberation, birthlessness, deathlessness, immortal. This immortality is possible by giving up the name and form, so that the pot would become one with the Potter. If it remains in the state of name and form, it moves towards the clay. But so long as these two subsist, nama and rupa, the pot travels to the clay, towards nature, to continue the cycle of life and death."



The last question is this: "Bhagavan, when there is no merger with Divinity, when the individual is not born again, according to dualistic philosophy, what will happen to him?"

Bhagavan said, "It is a state when he has not evolved. He’s not towards nature. He’s not towards God. He’s just undecided. He still requires awareness. He still requires that kind of sense of identity with the Divine. The moment that awareness is there, he merges with God."

Finally He said, "Why are you bothering about these questions? What is it you are asking? Leave it to Me."

"Huh? You gave me patience listening so long, and now you call me a fool to have asked these questions?"

Then Swami said, "According to My opinion…



See Swami’s humility. If you have to learn humility, you have to learn from Bhagavan. Swami always says, “I feel…”, “According to Me …”, “In My opinion …”. That’s what Swami always says. It is a respect to the individuals. It is respect for His audience. Why? In you, He is present. So when He says, “In all respect…”, He’s respecting Himself. When He’s so considerate towards you, He is considerate towards Himself because He finds Himself in you. We don’t find ourselves in Him as yet because we have got our own preferences and choices. So, He finds Himself in all of us. He’s so considerate.



What did Swami say? "In My opinion, the three schools of philosophy – dualism (Dvaitha), qualified non-dualism (Visishtadvaitha), and non-dualism (Advaitha) –are the three steps, one leading to the other."

But actually in society, one fights with the other. The three will never meet. If a fellow looks at the face of another fellow from another school of philosophy, he takes bath immediately because it is inauspicious to look at that face! The three consider themselves separate. But here is Bhagavan who tells, "One leads to the other. One is the corollary of the other. One is the sequence to the other. One is the cause; other is the effect.”



Simple example: A flower becomes an unripe fruit. Unripe fruit becomes a ripe fruit. Three stages: A flower at one stage becomes an unripe fruit in the second stage, a tender fruit. And the third stage is the ripe fruit with sweet juice in it. Unless there’s unripe fruit, you cannot get ripe fruit. Unless there is a flower, you cannot expect to get all. So it is dualism that leads to qualified non-dualism, which ends in non-dualism. All the three are one.

 "Swami, what a harmony it is! What integration it is! What a wonderful sequence of events it is!"

This is what Swami said: "Things are not agitated. Things are complementary, never contradictory." This we have to understand. Things are never contradictory. Things are always complementary in the sight of Bhagavan Baba.